Politics and change

I've never been a big fan of polls and handicapping political races.  It somehow seems that besides not being particularly accurate, it promotes an approach to politics and leadership that isn't particularly beneficial for our country.  Today, I read a few blog posts and a bunch of emails that has gotten me to think a lot more about this.

First, Jerome Armstrong has a post up suggesting the 2008 Democratic Nomination is Hillary's race to lose.  Mostly, Armstrong was talking about the fake self-proclaimed "movement" that exhausts me of Obama>.  Is the race really already over?  

One of the things that everyone talks about is how the polls, this far out, don't really mean much.  There are the standard comments about how well Lieberman was doing in the polls at this point in the cycle.

Well, I thought I would go and try to find some polls from around June 2003.  I haven't found any good national polls from June 2003, but one set of polls particularly caught my attention.  It was the American Research Group's New Hampshire polls for 2003.  From January through July of 2003, John Kerry was in first place in the polls, with Howard Dean second.  Some of this may well have been because they were both from neighboring states.  During August through December, Gov. Dean passed Sen. Kerry, but when the votes were counted after the primary, Kerry won and Dean came in second.  They were the only two that got delegates out of the primary.

Some of this may have been the results of Iowa, and `fladem' has a diary up on MyDD about Iowa's impact on New Hampshire.

All of this takes me to a bigger question.  What is it that we want out of our leaders?  Some of this may have to do with looking at the polls and the results of caucuses.  We want our leaders to be `winners'.  Some of this may have to do with Obama's movement.  People want to be part of a winning team, a movement, a community, of some sort of group that they feel strong affinity to.  Yet as others have pointed out, what some people really want, is to be part of a group bringing about meaningful change, and not just a `feel-good' movement as Armstrong suggests.

This takes us to the issue of change.  On a mailing list of group psychotherapists, I posed the question, "What happens when leaders admit their own failings? What would it be like if political candidates admitted they didn't know everything?"  One person responded,


If they admitted this, as well as how they plan on compensating for it, such as an expert in the area they are not, proposed for their staff...I would feel more comfortable with my vote.  However, I believe the old saying is true for most of the population...ignorance is bliss.

David Glyn went further,


Leaders don't create the posture of infallibiity - they fall in with, or succumb to it, because of the sense that stepping outside it is tantamount to stepping out of the recognisable field of political life. To create leadership in a different mold involves, not just leaders, but substantial parts of the groups they are seeking to lead achieving a shift of culture; to suggest otherwise, paradoxically, throws all responsibility and power back onto leaders.

This takes me back to the whole idea of transformational politics.  In the 2004 Presidential Primary cycle, Gov. Dean frequently told his supporters, "You have the power."  His message of political empowerment changed many people and some would suggest the course of U.S. politics.  He didn't end up getting elected President, but he is now chairman of the Democratic Party.

In the 2008 cycle, it seems as if Sen. Edwards comes the closest to `stepping out of the recognisable field of political life'.  He has admitted that he was wrong in voting for the Iraq War Resolution and is working hard to make amends for it.  He is running a campaign that echoes Gov. Dean's message of empowerment, urging his supporters to take concrete action now to change our country and not simply waiting for some new leader to get elected in 2008.

Has he stepped too far outside, or not far enough?  Are there enough people seeking a shift in our political discourse?  Will he follow Gov. Dean's footsteps and change many people but not get elected, or will his efforts towards change, combined with Gov. Dean's efforts and perhaps other subcurrents in our culture be enough to get him elected and bring about meaningful change?

By focusing on the horserace component of the political campaigns, we miss the opportunity to explore real change, which starts with each one of us.



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Re: Politics and change (none / 0)

Thanks for the thoughtful post Aldon.  One of the things those of us who are political junkies sometimes fall into is getting mired in the day to day back and forth and losing the bigger picture.

One thing I would add on Edwards is his attempt to combine a new style of leadership, as you point out, with bold and empowering policies.  It's sort of a transformational vertical integration.  Where the style, process and substance are matched up, I believe, and increase the power of each other.


by MassEyesandEars on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 09:58:18 AM EST

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Real change requires deep thinking.  It is needed at  all levels.  However I am coming of the opinion that the regular joe or jill is just trying to make ends meet and get some joy out of life.  These don't really understand the political constructs that frame their lives.  They do not understand the questions you have posed.  They understand the images - whether in print or on the screen - that advertisers create.  They react emotionally.  Even the analysis here about the polls sort of indicates that.  If people sense that someone is a winner or loser they go with that flow.  I wonder if it is something in our limbic brain.

Edwards is running a campaign designed for thinking people.  Huge amount of information.  He also has a fabulous stump speech that is getting little publicity.  Obama is running a campaign that has mixed messages so that you can pull from it whatever you want.  It is new politics - so it is against the current politics - yet it is working with everyone in the system and not confronting them.  It is about you and not him, but he is the one delivering the message.  Hillary is running a traditional campaign with a careful image of command to create a feel safe environment and remember the good times of the 90s.

Edwards campaign is the most focused on what would be good for people, but they are not looking at this rationally.  They are looking for a leader that makes  them feel good.  That is why they elected Regan, Bush, Clinton and Bush.  If Edwards can get the story of himself being the transformational leader out there then he would win.  Instead the MSM harp on the trivial about him and make him appear less of a leader.  It is a stealth attack but an effective one.


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by pioneer111 on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 10:22:18 AM EST

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I think you are shortchanging Clinton's message, populist appeal and focus on the middle class.  

The thing to remember is that you have to make people CONNECT with you.  If the connection is not there, you can have 5,000 pages of good-sounding policies all for nothing.   I just don't see Edwards connecting on that level.  I watched him on Meet the Press, the debates, etc.  He does not connect with me.  He obviously does with others, which is why he is not on Dodd's or Kucinich's level in the polls.  


by georgep on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 10:53:17 AM EST
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Agree... (none / 0)

and no matter how you feel about Obama, he too is connecting to people, but in a larger way than Edwards.  My motto is this, "time is money, and money is time".  50% of any campaign is about money, period.  If you are not appealing, do not connect, boring, uninspiring, don't have a message, do you think people will support your campaign?  They will politely listen, and move away.  Edwards should be the FRONT RUNNER, period.  He has been campaigning since 2005.  He is the one who should have the organization together.  But, he does not, except for maybe IA.  This presidential race is for all of them to loose.  Don't hate on upstart Obama, who blows in here like the wind, and upset the apple cart.  Because that is what he has done.  This race was suppose to be between Clinton and Edwards.  But it is Clinton and Obama, with Edwards in the background.  Agree with you George, just throwing in some extra stuff.


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by icebergslim on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 02:02:56 PM EST
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Re: clinton obviously doesn't connect... (none / 0)

or she'd wouldn't have such high negatives.  that may not be the best argument to support your candidate...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 02:28:27 PM EST
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"So, I think he will be different than Hillary and Obama because I feel he will be more partisan governing from the left."

I think, unlike Gore, Edwards made a mistake getting out of politics, quitting the Senate.  His campaign has more the feel of an outsider's campaign.  To some that may be a good thing, but he does not give me (and I presume many) the feel of a true partisan Democrat.  Not really his doing, mostly because he decided to quit the Senate and do his thing from the outside.  


by georgep on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 10:46:53 AM EST

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I think it's a very good thing, as the Bai piece points out, Edwards has been inside the beltway and rejected it.  He's challenging the insiders, which is why some of them resent him.  But, doing it as a good Democrat.  You never hear him say, "I am religious/pro-growth/patriotic/etc. unlike some Democrats."


by MassEyesandEars on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 11:02:36 AM EST
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Stop This Talking Point. (none / 0)

I've heard this argument before most recently from George will who said Edwards "being unemployed has  the luxury of being irresponsible."(In reference to his attack on the GWOT)  Ha. Ha.   I had to laugh.  Ronald Reagan was not in office when he won in 1980.  The Big Kahuna of all conservative lust was the outsider.  He ran against Dole  who was in the Senate and Bush Sr who also wasn't the hallowed Senate but was head of the RNC.

Abe Lincoln did not run for re-election for the House.  Went back to being one of those god dam trial lawyers.  Then he ran for the Senate AND LOST!
THEN HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT.

This is a right wing or corporate talking point to elect inside the beltway folks whether they are Senators or consumate insiders and shmoozers like Richardson.  

Edwards is our Lincoln. Get beyond the corporate spinners.  


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by Feral Cat on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:07:42 PM EST
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"Working with Republicans" didn't work for Bill's party.  He lost the House.  They also screwed  him personally left and right plus tried to impeach him.  It doesn't work. You've got to be a real Democrat not a  DINO. Didn't Norquist or somebody call bipartisanship date rape?  A real Democrat has  got to stand for working Americans.  Then Let the Republicans represent wealth. It clear and not confusing or mushy.


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by Feral Cat on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:13:34 PM EST
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Re: Change is doing things from the outside??? (none / 0)

not in my experience.  have you ever worked towards change successfully?  it's incredibly difficult to make change from the outside.  we stopped the invasion of iraq, didn't we?

change is more likely to occur with an inside-outside strategy, with people pushing for change from outside the institution and from within it.  that's how we won expansion of civil rights and stopped the vietnam war.  change is hard work...


"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton
by bored now on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 02:35:04 PM EST
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Oh and who hasn't run on "change"?  Reagan actually took the radical Tom Paine's phrase "We have it in ourselves to begin the world again."  This was Reagan battle cry, "Get rid of government and may the best MAN win".  Yes, he wanted change from the growing freedom of women and minorities and other riff raff.  We don't need change from Bush like Hillary and Obama are touting and the Republican nominees.  We need change from the last 30 years of supply side crapola economic policy.  Wall Street needs to stop looting America and start working for America.  If they don't we should start a new House UnAmerican Activities Committee.  
To the barricades and stop whining. It's going to take work. But  Work can be fun and satisfying.  
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by Feral Cat on Fri Jun 15, 2007 at 12:20:13 PM EST


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